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> <channel><title>Comments on: Comodo Sells Out To HopSurf, Loses Sight Of Priorities</title> <atom:link href="http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/</link> <description>A website for technology information and assistance</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 05:08:41 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Anonymous</title><link>http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/comment-page-1/#comment-34531</link> <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:02:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.besttechie.net/?p=1836#comment-34531</guid> <description>First time I click on hopserver goes straight to topcelebs dot com which is errrr porn site. Hows that for family surfing comodo??? </description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First time I click on hopserver goes straight to topcelebs dot com which is errrr porn site. Hows that for family surfing comodo???</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: justingoldberg</title><link>http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/comment-page-1/#comment-34302</link> <dc:creator>justingoldberg</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:43:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.besttechie.net/?p=1836#comment-34302</guid> <description>Perhaps the better all-around solution for Comodo and for any software that installs toolbars without the end-user realizing what they are actually doing is to not use a check box but rather tell the user in the wizard if they would like to install the toolbar, and have a yes or no box, with neither choice checked on by default, where they have to actually make a choice, and show them what they are really installing. Maybe even link to a flash or slideshow tour of HopSurf on their website.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the better all-around solution for Comodo and for any software that installs toolbars without the end-user realizing what they are actually doing is to not use a check box but rather tell the user in the wizard if they would like to install the toolbar, and have a yes or no box, with neither choice checked on by default, where they have to actually make a choice, and show them what they are really installing. Maybe even link to a flash or slideshow tour of HopSurf on their website.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jason Pfoutz</title><link>http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/comment-page-1/#comment-34132</link> <dc:creator>Jason Pfoutz</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:43:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.besttechie.net/?p=1836#comment-34132</guid> <description>Please comment on it (HopSurf) here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.helpmyos.com/dragonmaster-jay-f47/hopsurf-and-its-qualities-t946.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.helpmyos.com/dragonmaster-jay-f47/ho...&lt;/a&gt;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please comment on it (HopSurf) here: <a
href="http://www.helpmyos.com/dragonmaster-jay-f47/hopsurf-and-its-qualities-t946.htm" rel="nofollow"></a><a
href="http://www.helpmyos.com/dragonmaster-jay-f47/ho.." rel="nofollow">http://www.helpmyos.com/dragonmaster-jay-f47/ho..</a>.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rennegadde</title><link>http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/comment-page-1/#comment-34131</link> <dc:creator>Rennegadde</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 09:34:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.besttechie.net/?p=1836#comment-34131</guid> <description>The screen shot you posted along with your rant shows very clearlt that there are easy-to-use check boxes you can un-check if you do not want HopSurf. What&#039;s the problem? Too lazy or hurried to just un-tick them?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The screen shot you posted along with your rant shows very clearlt that there are easy-to-use check boxes you can un-check if you do not want HopSurf. What&#39;s the problem? Too lazy or hurried to just un-tick them?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: besttechie</title><link>http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/comment-page-1/#comment-34055</link> <dc:creator>besttechie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:16:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.besttechie.net/?p=1836#comment-34055</guid> <description>Why should the toolbar being installed by default though?  Why not make it opt-in?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why should the toolbar being installed by default though?  Why not make it opt-in?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DragonMasterJay</title><link>http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/comment-page-1/#comment-34053</link> <dc:creator>DragonMasterJay</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:27:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.besttechie.net/?p=1836#comment-34053</guid> <description>This is very short-sighted. Comodo developed HopSurf toolbar and replaced Ask toolbar. See this link: &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/why_is_hopsurf_selected_by_default-t42012.0.html;msg304858#msg304858&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannoun...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Being a malware researcher for Comodo, I do not like such comments. I specifically tested HopSurf and have not found any threats.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is very short-sighted. Comodo developed HopSurf toolbar and replaced Ask toolbar. See this link: <a
href="http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannouncementsnews_cis/why_is_hopsurf_selected_by_default-t42012.0.html;msg304858#msg304858" rel="nofollow"></a><a
href="http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannoun.." rel="nofollow">http://forums.comodo.com/feedbackcommentsannoun..</a>.</p><p>Being a malware researcher for Comodo, I do not like such comments. I specifically tested HopSurf and have not found any threats.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Donna</title><link>http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/comment-page-1/#comment-34011</link> <dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:30:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.besttechie.net/?p=1836#comment-34011</guid> <description>My main concern is what besttechie has said:  People who are not advanced users.  The victim are the non-advanced users.  They think it is OK, it is needed or it is required, and/or it is safe because they trust the security vendors will not install third party componets or services.  How many times we&#039;ve seen users posts in forums that they have no idea which software has changed their homepage, search page or have added a toolbar? This method use by security vendors bundling and pushing their product is same method of what we generally call as adware and PUPs.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The 2nd concern is:  There is no HopSurf and &lt;a href=&quot;http://Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ask.com&lt;/a&gt; EULA.  Where is the EULA of HopSurf and EULA for &lt;a href=&quot;http://Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ask.com&lt;/a&gt; in the above screenshot? There is third party service involved in the installer.  There should be 3 EULA.  There should be clear disclosure by Comodo on what type of service does HopSurf will provide.  There should be an option for people to see, read, agree or disagree with the EULA of HopSurf because HopSurf is entirely different software from CIS.  The EULA of CIS does not apply to HopSurf and &lt;a href=&quot;http://Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ask.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why 3 EULA you might ask...&lt;br&gt;1. EULA for CIS - displaying to the people a license agreement in using the firewall and AV and update services/server in using Comodo.&lt;br&gt;2. EULA for HopSurf - because Comodo&#039;s CEO claim that HopSurf is their software but since it&#039;s another application that is unrelated to CIS, there should EULA of HopSurf.  On what the service is for and what people should know in using HopSurf.&lt;br&gt;3. EULA for &lt;a href=&quot;http://Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ask.com&lt;/a&gt; service - because there is privacy concern in using &lt;a href=&quot;http://Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ask.com&lt;/a&gt; search when people use the said search via toolbar that is not Ask Toolbar.  And because &lt;a href=&quot;http://Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ask.com&lt;/a&gt; is not Comodo, there should be EULA in the above installer for using &lt;a href=&quot;http://Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ask.com&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When they released CIS with HopSurf, there is 2 EULA online.  None of EULA is linked in the above installer.  They claim that one of the EULA is a mistake or both.  Melih said there is another correct EULA which is in PDF format.  Now.. this makes you wonder already whether this company is serious in providing privacy and security to its end-users.  There is a concern here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The 4th concern:  Why Comodo is not telling the truth that this HopSurf was created because of their partnership with &lt;a href=&quot;http://IAC/Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IAC/Ask.com&lt;/a&gt;.  At least, Symantec was professional enough to make a press release and admit that because of their partnership with &lt;a href=&quot;http://IAC/Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IAC/Ask.com&lt;/a&gt;, they will integrate &lt;a href=&quot;http://Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ask.com&lt;/a&gt; on their Norton Safe Web Toolbar.  Comodo is denying that HopSurf was created because of the partnership they have with &lt;a href=&quot;http://IAC/Ask.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IAC/Ask.com&lt;/a&gt;.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The last but not the least concern on Comodo as company:  Why Comodo have to create too many domains and services that try to show to people how good they are in trying to make the internet safe and sound if they themselves cannot control or monitor the issuance of their certificates.  Imagine, fraudsters is able to get the trust by some people in buying their fake AV because they are carrying some Comodo issued certificate.  Their defense is that they are not alone in doing this.  That&#039;s true but are they doing the best practice in preventing the said security/privacy incident? If so, how? Why after so many months (since Winfixer days), there is still reports by trusted researchers/analysts like MVP Mike Burgess and MVP Steven Burn that their cert continues to be use by malware domains and frausters?  There is little action from them.  If this type of incident occured in Mozilla, Google and Microsoft, people goes mad.  These 3 vendors will act soon and make advisory with acknowledgement/credits and solution so it will not happen again while Comodo is not doing this. They get angry. They questioned the ethics of people who reports.  They accused me of witch hunting.  They cannot even identify where is my blog and who is blogging LOL&lt;br&gt;Corrine&#039;s blog, Mike&#039;s blog and my blog is not the same but Melih said it&#039;s Donna&#039;s.  He don&#039;t know how blogging works and yet they offer HopSurf that will rate a blog site.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main concern is what besttechie has said:  People who are not advanced users.  The victim are the non-advanced users.  They think it is OK, it is needed or it is required, and/or it is safe because they trust the security vendors will not install third party componets or services.  How many times we&#39;ve seen users posts in forums that they have no idea which software has changed their homepage, search page or have added a toolbar? This method use by security vendors bundling and pushing their product is same method of what we generally call as adware and PUPs.</p><p>The 2nd concern is:  There is no HopSurf and <a
href="http://Ask.com" rel="nofollow">Ask.com</a> EULA.  Where is the EULA of HopSurf and EULA for <a
href="http://Ask.com" rel="nofollow">Ask.com</a> in the above screenshot? There is third party service involved in the installer.  There should be 3 EULA.  There should be clear disclosure by Comodo on what type of service does HopSurf will provide.  There should be an option for people to see, read, agree or disagree with the EULA of HopSurf because HopSurf is entirely different software from CIS.  The EULA of CIS does not apply to HopSurf and <a
href="http://Ask.com" rel="nofollow">Ask.com</a></p><p>Why 3 EULA you might ask&#8230;<br
/>1. EULA for CIS &#8211; displaying to the people a license agreement in using the firewall and AV and update services/server in using Comodo.<br
/>2. EULA for HopSurf &#8211; because Comodo&#39;s CEO claim that HopSurf is their software but since it&#39;s another application that is unrelated to CIS, there should EULA of HopSurf.  On what the service is for and what people should know in using HopSurf.<br
/>3. EULA for <a
href="http://Ask.com" rel="nofollow">Ask.com</a> service &#8211; because there is privacy concern in using <a
href="http://Ask.com" rel="nofollow">Ask.com</a> search when people use the said search via toolbar that is not Ask Toolbar.  And because <a
href="http://Ask.com" rel="nofollow">Ask.com</a> is not Comodo, there should be EULA in the above installer for using <a
href="http://Ask.com" rel="nofollow">Ask.com</a></p><p>When they released CIS with HopSurf, there is 2 EULA online.  None of EULA is linked in the above installer.  They claim that one of the EULA is a mistake or both.  Melih said there is another correct EULA which is in PDF format.  Now.. this makes you wonder already whether this company is serious in providing privacy and security to its end-users.  There is a concern here.</p><p>The 4th concern:  Why Comodo is not telling the truth that this HopSurf was created because of their partnership with <a
href="http://IAC/Ask.com" rel="nofollow">IAC/Ask.com</a>.  At least, Symantec was professional enough to make a press release and admit that because of their partnership with <a
href="http://IAC/Ask.com" rel="nofollow">IAC/Ask.com</a>, they will integrate <a
href="http://Ask.com" rel="nofollow">Ask.com</a> on their Norton Safe Web Toolbar.  Comodo is denying that HopSurf was created because of the partnership they have with <a
href="http://IAC/Ask.com" rel="nofollow">IAC/Ask.com</a>.</p><p>The last but not the least concern on Comodo as company:  Why Comodo have to create too many domains and services that try to show to people how good they are in trying to make the internet safe and sound if they themselves cannot control or monitor the issuance of their certificates.  Imagine, fraudsters is able to get the trust by some people in buying their fake AV because they are carrying some Comodo issued certificate.  Their defense is that they are not alone in doing this.  That&#39;s true but are they doing the best practice in preventing the said security/privacy incident? If so, how? Why after so many months (since Winfixer days), there is still reports by trusted researchers/analysts like MVP Mike Burgess and MVP Steven Burn that their cert continues to be use by malware domains and frausters?  There is little action from them.  If this type of incident occured in Mozilla, Google and Microsoft, people goes mad.  These 3 vendors will act soon and make advisory with acknowledgement/credits and solution so it will not happen again while Comodo is not doing this. They get angry. They questioned the ethics of people who reports.  They accused me of witch hunting.  They cannot even identify where is my blog and who is blogging LOL<br
/>Corrine&#39;s blog, Mike&#39;s blog and my blog is not the same but Melih said it&#39;s Donna&#39;s.  He don&#39;t know how blogging works and yet they offer HopSurf that will rate a blog site.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: besttechie</title><link>http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/comment-page-1/#comment-33986</link> <dc:creator>besttechie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:30:07 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.besttechie.net/?p=1836#comment-33986</guid> <description>You totally missed the entire point here.  It&#039;s not a matter of the software being good or bad, it&#039;s a matter of principals, priorities, and ethics.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The fact that it&#039;s ticked by default is unethical, especially, since this company claims to be a security company which is supposed to protect its users from malware, viruses, torjans, and installers installing 3rd party software like this on users computers. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not to mention, there is no sign that they won&#039;t be adding more 3rd party software (even more potentially annoying/harmful software) in the future.  The fact you can untick is irrelevant because it is ticked by default, and most people aren&#039;t you or me, so they will click right through and install it out of plain ignorance or just because they are in a hurry to install it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You totally missed the entire point here.  It&#39;s not a matter of the software being good or bad, it&#39;s a matter of principals, priorities, and ethics.</p><p>The fact that it&#39;s ticked by default is unethical, especially, since this company claims to be a security company which is supposed to protect its users from malware, viruses, torjans, and installers installing 3rd party software like this on users computers.</p><p>Not to mention, there is no sign that they won&#39;t be adding more 3rd party software (even more potentially annoying/harmful software) in the future.  The fact you can untick is irrelevant because it is ticked by default, and most people aren&#39;t you or me, so they will click right through and install it out of plain ignorance or just because they are in a hurry to install it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wanyal</title><link>http://www.besttechie.net/2009/07/04/comodo-sells-out-to-hopsurf-loses-sight-of-priorities/comment-page-1/#comment-33985</link> <dc:creator>Wanyal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:19:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.besttechie.net/?p=1836#comment-33985</guid> <description>Comodo have been doing this for over 6 months with their own &quot;safesurf&quot; tool bar before this. So, this is nothing new. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, just because Comodo like bundling toolbars with their products, doesn&#039;t make the products bad enough for me to stop recommending them. Their firewall is a powerful peice of software, and the fact that it&#039;s free makes it even better. Toolbar or no toolbar.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even then, if I can remove malware such as Vundo, what&#039;s stopping me from removing a simple toolbar if I installed it by accident?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comodo have been doing this for over 6 months with their own &#8220;safesurf&#8221; tool bar before this. So, this is nothing new.</p><p>However, just because Comodo like bundling toolbars with their products, doesn&#39;t make the products bad enough for me to stop recommending them. Their firewall is a powerful peice of software, and the fact that it&#39;s free makes it even better. Toolbar or no toolbar.</p><p>Even then, if I can remove malware such as Vundo, what&#39;s stopping me from removing a simple toolbar if I installed it by accident?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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