[hitest]

I just tried an experiment on my IBM PC, thought I'd put Ubuntu 5.04 on it. It's a great distro. apt is very good, hardware detection was flawless. I'm putting my Slackware install CDs away for now.
Awesome stuff.

[martymas]

hi hitest

ive had the ubuntu disks for several months now the .

in the area i belong to we have a linux club

and when i inquired about ubuntu
they gave me six disks to give away.
so i gave one to my self .
but that dial up is my problem.
i couldnt confidure the modem.
i tried with a dual boot hoping i could dial up through xp.
but that didnt work .so i uninstalled xp and tried it as stand alone.
but no matter what i tried i couldnt get it to dialup.
in most linux oses. there is a konsole you can configur your dial up but i was lost .
when it came to ubuntu.
whith out the dial up it was still an interesring sys and i would have loved to go on with it.
i tried the club i got them from but 99 oercent are on broadband
so i got no joy from them.
strangly a club giving these disks away free .
but no info on how to configure the modem to suit dial up.
so i had to revert back to xp.
and that is where i am at the moment.
marty

[tictoc5150]

hitest,
I was just wondering if you've run into any dependency issues yet in synaptic....There are a few apps that I've tried to install that just flat out fail because of a libc6 and transcode dependencies...namely mplayer and dvdrip, I know there are others but can't think of them off the top of my head.
It's funny how a couple issues like this can make me think twice about recommending a distro...I would say I'm currently without a favorite distro but this one is pretty good for what it does.

on another note, I was just messing around with my test machine, I tried installing Mandriva 2005 LE out of boredom and it wouldn't even install...Even though it installed on my laptop, it kinda got me thinking it might be a bad burn...now that I've googled around and found out how to kill some of the ugliness they were kind enough to make default behavior, I might consider giving it another shot, if it would run right.

[hitest]

tictoc5150, on May 9 2005, 06:52 AM, said:

hitest,
I was just wondering if you've run into any dependency issues yet in synaptic....There are a few apps that I've tried to install that just flat out fail because of a libc6 and transcode dependencies...namely mplayer and dvdrip, I know there are others but can't think of them off the top of my head.
It's funny how a couple issues like this can make me think twice about recommending a distro...I would say I'm currently without a favorite distro but this one is pretty good for what it does.

on another note, I was just messing around with my test machine, I tried installing Mandriva 2005 LE out of boredom and it wouldn't even install...Even though it installed on my laptop, it kinda got me thinking it might be a bad burn...now that I've googled around and found out how to kill some of the ugliness they were kind enough to make default behavior, I might consider giving it another shot, if it would run right.

Hi tictoc,

Yes, I think I've had one or two dependency issues with Ubuntu, nothing too major yet. I think it was when I decided to opt for the KDE desktop, then I had some dependency issues (I had dependency issues with Quanta I recall).
I decided to re-install and go with the stock Gnome install and everything so far seems to work okay. I used synaptic last night to download some KDE games and it seemed to go okay. Maybe it's optimized for Gnome?! Or I could have borked up my KDE install. I'm mostly happy with it except that sound doesn't work for Ubuntu on one of my Linux boxes.
I'm going to put Mandriva 2005 on that unit, hopefully Mandriva will recognize my ancient sound card. Mandrake 10 and 10.1 found my sound card.
On my other Linux box I partitioned the unit and put Ubuntu on it (nuked Slackware) and Ubuntu found all of my hardware and works like a charm.....so far.
I'm in the same boat as you, tictoc, I don't have a favorite distro yet. At least for one of my units Ubuntu is working well.
My Mandriva CDs arrive this week, I will post back here and let you know if it worked okay for me.
Yes, it could very well be a bad burn on your CDs, did they boot okay?
Good to hear from you man

hitest

This post has been edited by hitest: 09 May 2005 - 06:23 PM

[shanenin]

hitest, on May 9 2005, 11:21 PM, said:

I'm mostly happy with it except that sound doesn't work for Ubuntu on one of my Linux boxes.

just curious, did you mess with alsamixer at all? If you played a song, did it seem to play, but without volume, was not complaining of missing devices?

I had a little trouble with alsa and ubuntu. I ended up solving the problem by using alsamixer(installed by default), and muted all channels execpt master and pcm. One of the other channels seemed to be blocking my sound, by muting it my sound just started to work.

[hitest]

shanenin, on May 10 2005, 01:36 PM, said:

hitest, on May 9 2005, 11:21 PM, said:

I'm mostly happy with it except that sound doesn't work for Ubuntu on one of my Linux boxes.

just curious, did you mess with alsamixer at all? If you played a song, did it seem to play, but without volume, was not complaining of missing devices?

I had a little trouble with alsa and ubuntu. I ended up solving the problem by using alsamixer(installed by default), and muted all channels execpt master and pcm. One of the other channels seemed to be blocking my sound, by muting it my sound just started to work.

No, no problems with alsa at all. Alsa works just fine for one of my computers. However, on my old Plll 500 Dell the only sound configuration software that'll identify my sound card is the old Red Hat stand by, sndconfig (Alsa can't find my sound card). I'm hoping that Mandriva hasn't taken that old utility out. If Mandriva has removed the utility I'll go back to Ubuntu on my Dell, I like apt, excellent updater.
btw, thanks for the tips about alsa mixer. If Mandriva doesn't work I'll try your work arounds:-)

[shanenin]

what do you have currently running on that machine, still ubunutu? what sound card(chipset) does it use. if you run the command /sbin/lspci it should tell you.

did redhat use OSS or alsa?

This post has been edited by shanenin: 10 May 2005 - 10:12 PM

[hitest]

shanenin, on May 10 2005, 06:54 PM, said:

what do you have currently running on that machine, still ubunutu? what sound card(chipset) does it use. if you run the command /sbin/lspci it should tell you.

did redhat use OSS or alsa?

/sbin/lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host bridge (rev 03 )
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge (rev 03)
00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)
00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02)
00:0f.0 PCI bridge: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21152 (rev 03)
00:11.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX [Cyclone] (rev 24 )
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (r ev 5c)

Here's my output when I run /sbin/lspci

I think I've just got a really old sound card that newer distros won't recognize. I'll find out tomorrow or Thursday if Mandriva will find my card. Ubuntu is awesome at hardware detection, but, not really old stuff I guess.
Not a problem though. This'll give me an excuse to eventually upgrade this old unit

p.s. I'm only running Ubuntu on this old unit:-)

This post has been edited by hitest: 10 May 2005 - 10:43 PM

[shanenin]

I thought the output of lspci would have given me something to google. I do not even see your soundcard(chipset) listed. Hmm.

Thanks anyways :-)

My thought was that maybe your card is only supported using OSS, that is why redhat worked. I thought redhat used OSS by defualt, but am not really sure.

[hitest]

shanenin, on May 10 2005, 09:13 PM, said:

I thought the output of lspci would have given me something to google. I do not even see your soundcard(chipset) listed. Hmm.

Thanks anyways :-)

My thought was that maybe your card is only supported using OSS, that is why redhat worked. I thought redhat used OSS by defualt, but am not really sure.

Hi shanenin,

Yes, I noticed that my sound card wasn't listed as well. Oh well. I'll post here again when I try Mandriva. Mandrake products in the past have had a good track record of finding ancient hardware......we will see:-)
This should be a fun experiment.

[shanenin]

Quote

However, on my old Plll 500 Dell

Plll or is that a pll ? I thought pllls were much faster then 500mhz. Do you by any chance have the model number available, I am curious to see what I can find on the soundcard. Does sound work with knoppix?

[hitest]

shanenin, on May 10 2005, 09:57 PM, said:

Quote

However, on my old Plll 500 Dell

Plll or is that a pll ? I thought pllls were much faster then 500mhz. Do you by any chance have the model number available, I am curious to see what I can find on the soundcard. Does sound work with knoppix?

Hi shanenin,

Yep, it's a Plll 500 MHz Dell Optiplex GX1. Yes, sound works with Knoppix 3.3, but, not with Knoppix 3.7 strangely enough. Sound works on this unit with Red Hat 9, Mandrake 10, 10.1.
I'll be trying Mandriva this week. I'm hoping that Mandriva still has sndconfig on it.

[shanenin]

the reason your card did not show up with lspci is because it is an isa sound card. If mandrake does not come with that sound mouule by default, it could easily be built, it is supported in the 2.6 kernel source. If you feel like hacking your system let me know, this kind of stuff is fun for me :-)

This post has been edited by shanenin: 11 May 2005 - 01:22 PM

[shanenin]

this might work for you, no hacking nessesary, the module is already buiilt. You just need to load it(I think;-)

modprobe snd-cs4236
/etc/int.d/alsa restart

[hitest]

shanenin, on May 11 2005, 11:21 AM, said:

the reason your card did not show up with lspci is because it is an isa sound card. If mandrake does not come with that sound mouule by default, it could easily be built, it is supported in the 2.6 kernel source. If you feel like hacking your system let me know, this kind of stuff is fun for me :-)

Yes, Mandrake 10 and 10.1 are both running the 2.6 kernel and so is Mandriva 2005. If Mandriva has pulled the sndconfig utility I'm open for hacking my unit.
That'd be fun:-)

hitest